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I should have or you should have? The mighty IFB has spoken It looks like I'm wasting my time. I admitted, in my comment, that I was somewhat caustic in my writing (I could definitely get better in that department) but I re-read what I wrote and didnt think it was horrible. Yes, we do preach not to be unequally yolked with non-belivers and I agree with that. Also, I support tithing personally. In the many books on church history which make up the bibliography for this paper, there is not one recorded incident of a Baptist church beginning founded out of Roman Catholicism. Rachael God bless you!! In Europe, Protestant churches are state churches and supported to some degree by government imposed taxes. 5. They will not engage in joint meetings, or evangelistic endeavors, with Protestants, Catholics, or other doctrinally unsound church groups, who do not hold to the fundamental teachings of the New Testament. The IFBs always point fingers at the Catholics, but the Baptist faith is loaded with the traditions of men, I guess its kind of hard to escape. They, however, will only fellowship or cooperate in joint meetings with churches of like belief. She and another church lady had this discussion and the other lady said that to her it is a bigger sin to stay in an abusive, unloving marriage such as the one my mother was in, and I agree whole heartedly. ANyone who wont give to thie ronw family or help the place where they go to felloship togther (bills etc) is pretty lousy I think & no amount of preaching it will probally make a differenc eunless God pricks thier hearts. Virginia was especially harsh in religious persecutions. What Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5 is ceremonial law. John was Gods true prophet and the forerunner of the Messiah Jesus Christ, but he was not a part of the dispensation of the institution of the local church. In 1700, a Baptist minister, William Rhodes began to hold meetings on Long Island and in 1724 organized the first Baptist church there. Perfectly Preserved Word of God Deception, 67. The one caution I would give is to allow God to speak to you through the scriptures, that is the most critical. Some IFB are good fellowships, some Plymouth Brethren Open) are good fellowships..etc. I respect a church that weloclmes being a part of my tithe but does not mandate that I do. Ask these five questions of any church, and if they can answer all five in truth with a yes, then you will have a true Baptist church. KJB. We are an old-fashioned, independent, fundamental, King James Bible only, soul-winning Baptist church. This was the best onemembers in our church raise hands, say amen, clap after special music (GASP! Because of persecution by the Anglican church of all who disagreed with it and who refused to agree to its authority, John Smyth had to flee England. He is much better at it than we are. In reference to the quote you took it wasi n explanation in regards to another point poised regarding tithing a tenth of income vs. actual agriculture and/or stock as the Jews did back thenand it was in a common sense response to the rhetoric regarding why tithe a tenth of income vs possesions being sold, etc is done by most churche sin Usa & other developed nations. The New IFB website and social media accounts - launched in early 2018 - have been taken down, and some pastors have distanced themselves from Anderson and his movement. Sorry to tell you, but youve been deceived. (I Corinthians 15:1-4) Further, if a person is truly saved and strictly follows the principles of the New Testament he will in a true sense be a Baptist whether he uses the name or not. He had a few different views and was eventually censured (kicked-out) from the Presbyterian church in 1809, so he eventually started his own church. The cause is clear. America needs great Independent Baptist churches again. He mentions a man named William Sawtre, who was identified as a Lollard and Baptist, was the first person burned at the stake after Henry IVs 1400 AD decree to burn heretics. Later, the Dutch issued new orders and allowed religious liberty. To distinguish oneself from every other believer in the Body of Christ by either a doctrine, a practice, or a person is not scriptural, as the apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthians. Patrick was born in Scotland in 360 AD and sold into slavery at age sixteen and carried to Ireland. Biblical Mandate for BaptistDeception.com. First I would disagree that The Church of Christ teaches first century, new testament doctrine. About this time the Puritans were also becoming strong in England. We are not under law. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. If they want to protest such an event, please feel free to move their candy butts a mile or more down the road. So how all USA (& most Developed Nations tithe, etc) is no different than at my IFB Church fellowship I attend. It began with a man named John Smyth who was a bishop in the Church of England. It cannot be stated too often that the importance of these churches was not in their name, but in what they believed and practiced. A couple of things. The faulty logic here comes from not paying attention to the Scripture. Reasons for NOT Accepting the KJV as Gods Preserved Word A response to Pastor James Melton, 71. An interesting read. They practice the Biblical teachings of separation as stated in Ephesians 5:11, which says, Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. It is a historic fact the first Baptist church in America was founded by another Baptist congregation. The Anabaptists were mostly a God-fearing group of people. The grace economy is a much superior way to live a life pleasing to God. (I do love acapella singing, btw.). John 10:10, Christians should be recognized by their love for Jesus and one another. It is believed that God meant what he said in Revelation 22:18, the Scriptures were not to added to or taken from. One Baptist church, however, did begin after 1714, in Surry Country, and another at Burleigh, Virginia. I dont know awhole lot about the Episcopal church, but Im sure there are some wonderful folks there. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day., Based on the Word of God, I submit to you that Gods plan will not be thwarted because I fail to do something. I have gone to Dayspring in Wisconsin and Hillcrest in El Paso and both have apps if you want to check them out. Many churches were organized in the following years. But I also would agree that just about every other Church denomination has strict dress standards as well. However, let me strongly say there has always existed an unbroken line of churches who have not erred from the faith, and been true to the Bible, Gods Word. In determining who were the first Baptists, you must first identify who you are referring to. Further, he ignored the reading of the order of service and simply preached the Scriptures. Through preaching the New Testament, the Gospel went forth in power and the Baptist movement grew rapidly. They are the only group into modern times whose churches were founded on the Scriptures alone and not on the traditions or works of some man. Enter keyword. In 1678, shortly after the church had erected a new building, the Puritan controlled government nailed its doors shut and forbade anyone under penalty of the law to enter or worship there. It is well to note that not all Virginians felt this way. I think I already addressed that point. It should be free. I would love to know your thoughts on the matter. I would directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct. You seems to be as blind as the Pharisees. Even the enemies of the Baptists openly recognize their zeal for the Word of God. Any church fellowship that encourages avoiding another Christian denomination/fellowship, even if they uphold & believe these, b/c they are not of the same denomination are in gross error & a cult. Northwest Bible Baptist Church is an old-fashioned, independent, fundamental Baptist church in Elgin, IL that believes, preaches, and practices the Bible. Secondly, they believe in a clergy/laity distinction by ordaining so-called Pastors. This is not found in scripture. A church which cannot answer yes to all of these questions cannot historically call itself a Baptist church. I am Presbyterian and we had a discussion on Christian doctrine. The KJV is a wonderful translation and very valid for its time, and you, like many others love it for its beautiful shakesperean english. There are no rules about what to give at all. In 1684, a Baptist church in Maine seeking greater religious liberty was relocated to Charleston, South Carolina. But it is for these very reasons that I and millions of other Americans cant understand it. 6.) Such as The Church of Christ? Also, you keep mentioning Jesus statement about not leaving tithing undone. So, IT IS in the New Testament! Some more deception I would like to expose are these IFB web sites. Everyone in the colony was automatically a member of the State church and were taxed to support it. Also in regards to the restcommon sense is you give according to how you deal with your values ,etc. Filter Churches. God has not entrusted that authority to impart salvation to any man or church. This free resource is here to help you find an independent Baptist church in your area or while traveling. I suppose I should have asked a couple of questions first, to which group of The Church of Christ are you referring? Later Presbyterians, Episcopalians and Methodist were added to the lists of Protestants denominations. I really have an issue with this point. He said he could tell because I had a joyful spirit. Two champions of religious liberty were the Virginians Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry. I can relate i was in a IFB church, glad to be out. 3.) IFB churches are not the problem. 7) divorce as the unpardonable sin you can be forgiven if you kill someone, or if you have been saved from a homosexual lifestyle, but God help you if you have been divorced, they will still let you come to the meetings but you have to set on the back row. He showed me a . Being to poor to pay the fines he was banished from the colony. 3:2) for Jews who were preparing for coming Messiah and Kingdom God had promised them. 8) forbid lifting of hands during the service, some of the IFB churches are more lenient on this matter that others. If it furthers & advances the Kingdom of God (the Church, Evangelism, Missionaries, etc), then I believe it is going to God. I do not agree with the IFB on their viewpoint of strict dress standards. Pedophiles hide in dark corners. He then began to ask me questions and we had a good conversation centered around God from there on. Christs death ushured in teh New Covenant where ceremonial law for the remission of sin is replaced with grace and mercy. The Baptist church that I attend used the entire Bible, all 66 books. @Saved By Grace (Colossians 1:18; Matthew 18:15-20; Acts 15:22-21; 2 Corinthians 8:1-5, 19, 23) Priesthood of the Believer. Many churches by this time had come under the domination of the Rome government and had ceased from being New Testament churches. I understand all that. preaching from the Old King James Bible that you "must be born again" and "Jesus and the Bible come first". Found you after all this time!!! IndependentBaptist.com was founded in an attempt to bring back the principles that lifted our movement in the 60's and 70's and that need to be revived in this day. You CANNOT be loving either if you are refusing to render unto the Lord that which is his, and this includes tithing. In recent years the news media has called doctrinally unsound church such as the Charismatics and Pentecostals fundamentalists. As far as I can tell, we are not cultic in any way and just like any other denomination we have our doctrinal differences. KJV Independent, Fundamental Baptist Churches in the USA . Does Westboro Baptist in Topeka, Kansas (Thank God for 9/11, God hates fags, Thank God for dead soldiers) fall under the IFB category? The acapella voices were very beautiful, and I knew she would have enjoyed hearing them. Since there is no membership at CCs, the congregation neither votes a pastor in, nor can vote their pastor out, if necessary, unlike a Baptist church. Shortly after the Church of England fell from grace when the English monarch was overthrown and the Presbyterians became the favored church of the state. This means that IFB churches do not look to creeds, confessions, or church councils to determine their doctrinal positions. Nope, dont see that. Tithing was never required for anyone except Jews who lived under the Mosaic economy. No tithing is not mandated, no good work is..just as no good work can save us. They were then tarred and feathered and ran out of the county. I sat next to this mans bed for hours as he screamed in agony and torment. Thomas Jefferson is believed to have been deeply influenced to press for religious freedom in American, by the plight of several Baptist preachers he knew. Some formed new churches and called themselves Baptists to make it clear that they believed and followed the New Testament. I personally do not think tithing is wrong, When Jesus refers to tithing didnt He uphold it & only objected to other sins but did not speak aganist it. @greg Again adhering to correct doctrine and proper practices should be the focus in our lives. A side note, my sons group In Search Of Reason has been selected to play for CreationFest this year. Baptists with other citizens were taxed to support the Episcopal church. Why, because it was founded on Gods Word and there is no necessity that it have contact with some other church which belongs to a succession of churches. As many theologians saywe can agree to disagree on some things but when it comes to the Fundamental of the Christian Faithbased on by the way what God says in the Word, then thats when one should draw the line b/c its no longer a matter of Christians in various fellowships & preferances that are allowable but then becomes a matter of even being a Christian at all (like Mormonisn, Jehovahs Wittness, Catholics, etc). The issue that concerns me about dress standards is that the position a church takes is a Biblical one. Thats why Paul advocated free will offerings (see 2 Corinthians 9). Gossips offer plausible deniability. Dress codes are not the problems. Now I am in full agreement with you that we should support our places of worship with our monetary gifts, but a mandatory tithe for new testament christians? The Person of Jesus Christ: Jesus is 100% God and 100% man for all eternity. KJB,UNAFFILIATED. By 400 AD, the Emperor Theodosius had declared Christianity the only state religion of the Roman Empire. The business is listed under baptist church category. God bless. What does this have to do with our discussion? To call these people Baptists or Baptistic, in the sense the believed the Bible and followed it as their sole authority for faith and practice, in the same way true Baptist churches do today, is acceptable, although it serves no purpose. Smokers use breath mints. 4) strict obedience to the pastor Comprized of many nationalities and backgrounds, the secret of successat CR, is that this is a Bible Chuch revolving around King Jesus. All but seven were above the Mason-Dixon line. You are truly blind and I hope that you will one day see more clearly. Ive experienced this kind of power over and over again in the church. with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. In fact, no church on earth can make that claim. If I was wearing a sponge Bob square pants costume while leading worship I would probably be asked to change into something more appropriate. Many Baptist churches have Trustees, but their position was established in order to have legal signatories to sign legal documents of the church. Giving ten percent to God is a good thing, I agree with that. It may be this passage of Scripture Paul had in mind when he said I am innocent of the blood of all men because he had taught them the whole counsel of Gods word. It seemed that if some people (which were severalactually almost all with very few exceptions) were given any place of position within the church, they responded with a sole purpose for having the pastor pleased with them, and definitely staying in his face about ideas which truly seemed more personal preference than such ideas of benefit. Jesus as clearly as the Son of God could tells us says (John 6:37-39,43 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. On May 28, 1665, a Baptist church was founded in Boston, by Thomas Gould, who refused to accept infant baptism. They many have been called by various names, before assemblies used the name Baptist. In what areas? It tried to explain and figure out why IFB churches seem to be drying up and closing their doors. Thank you. Also, those who God draws will come to Christ and believe in Him. Let us know if you have suggestions to improve this article (requires login). I immediatley thought that my God must be alot bigger than his. That saintly old woman in the pew may be depending upon her infant baptism to get her to heaven. The magistrates found their order was becoming unpopular and impossible to enforce so the church in the future was left unmolested. Romans 1:20 says that For since the creation Gods invisible qualities his eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.. So, I guess we are not all as rigid as one would believe from some comments. My study of the word psalms is that it includes singing with a musical instrument. King Ethelbert and his court, and a considerable part of his kingdom, were won over by the successful monk. Thank you for writing back. The study of Gods word deserves more time than this life holds. Many Anabaptists churches were strong New Testament churches believing and following the Word of God. You people are idiots, You cant have the new testament without the old, Christ believed in and followed the old testament, this is why it says he was betrayed on the passover, because he kept the passover and all the other commandments that are in the old testament. (P.S. Mark 7:7, Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 16:18, concerning preserving the institution of the local church, that even the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Doctrinally sound New Testament churches have always existed from the time of Christ and the Apostles until today. than we pray that they will get right with God I appreciate your response, I am especially glad to hear that your mother has returned to the church. . Enter city. List your KJV Bible Believing Church for FREE! In 1645, he formed a Baptist church in London. Its nothing personal, just logic. Yes we only use KJV (I perosnally like it better myself because I like the Shakespeareanesque vernacular versus modern but thats a personal choice). I am an IFB. Sure you used scripture, but only as a hammer to bash Greg on the head. They dont tell us what to wear more than any other church. It is difficult to trace Baptist churches down through history. Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Some Baptist historians, have made attempts at doing this, but in many cases refer to groups as early Baptists who did not in fact hold to pure Baptist beliefs as held today. Advanced Search Directory View All Listings Add Listing Sort By: Grace Baptist Church Pastor's Name Timothy C. Johnson Physical Address 487 Hwy. I believe that the Bible is clear on what is modest apparel. fundamental, Baptist, church. In Amsterdam, he with Thomas Helwys and thirty six others formed the first Baptist church of English people known to have stood for baptism of believers only. Corrections? It sounds like you believe that we are not required to tithe, but somehow we are better off if we do? p.s. Share this: I really dont know how to describe it. These worldly churches still call themselves Baptists but in fact they do not believe or practice what true Baptists have historically believed and more importantly what the Word of God says. It helped start the first Baptist church in Philadelphia the following year. He has been an alcoholic, had been sexually abused in a Catholic orphanage, had lost his family, and had lost everything. So many churches have lost wonderful ministry opportunties by turning away those hurting, divorced folks, its a shame, God help us all to be sensitive to those who are hurting all around us. God has set up a completely different program for believers in the church age. Independent Baptist Churches believe the following "Independent Baptist Distinctives": 1. These New Testament believers rejected every attempt to include them in with the other churches who compromised and accepted the Roman governments money, rule and authority. We are looking for passionate defenders of the faith and offer a viable alternative to New Evangelical and compromising mission boards. This lasted only one Sunday however, and the following Sunday the doors were opened and services held in defiance of the order. In 1539 thirty one more who had fled to Holland were apprehended and martyred there. Thanks but addressed all points. Have a look at Matthew 15. Im surprised but shouldnt be by now that folks know so very little about their respective churches/traditions, most just sit in the pew and simply repeat what their pastor has told them, never checking and studying for themselves, what thus saith the Lord You act so surprised that I questioned you about which Church of Christ you were referring to, do yourself alittle favor and have a look at wikipedias lists of Churches of Christ First and foremost I wanted to make sure you werent referring to the The Church of Christ of Latter Day Saints which is a flat-out cult. 6) teach old testament tithing new testamenent giving is found in 2 Cor 9:7 Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. In fact Jesus emphatically stated in Matt. If the staff at Costa Mesa accepts the person, he becomes an affiliated clergyman in a global network led by Chuck Smith.. @greg He did not fail to share truth although He was not yet crucifiedso likewise I argue that since He said it should not have been left undoneHe meant what He says as He shared the fuller meaning I believe of the Laws. I already addressed the 1st point regarding them being under Mosaic Law vs us if you read all youlll find them incl how Jesus spoke to similar crowd regarding what is Adultery, etcalso I already explained its not mandatory & no one says you better or must incl where I;m atI already explained how Jesus stated it was not to be undone while He expanded on what should have been done of which they failedif it was all about Mosaic law only they would probally I think be in compliance but Christ fulfilled & was teaching in consitency with that. It is often said that the Protestant Reformation had both a formal cause and a material cause. 4:1-5, 1 Cor. HARVEY ND 58341 (701) 324-4415 CH/HM. None of us that I know of follow his every word like it was the Gospel truth. But this article simply exposes the Baptist system as just another denomination among tens of thousands. But the police proceeded to arrest them and throw them in jail. Some Baptist churches believe in a succession of Baptist churches who passed down the authority to baptize and give the Lords Supper. The form contains many questions about doctrine and philosophy of ministry. Listening To The Critics A Response To James Ach, 56. In fact the Roman Church can only trace its history back to 313 AD when the Roman Emperor Constantine made Christianity a legal religion. adhering to correct doctrine and proper practices should be the focus in our lives. Baptist as a whole were patriots and many Baptist pastors served as chaplains in the Revolutionary Army. The influx of these falsely converted pagans is one reason Roman Catholicism came to have so many idolatrous and pagan beliefs. He, however, continued to preach by holding services in his own home. Please refer to the appropriate style manual or other sources if you have any questions. . @bob It became an independent church in 1746. I think Lynne has been fed a large dose of legalism, and just cant seem to escape it. The Calvinistic or Particular Baptists were a different group and believed in limited atonement in which only the elect could be saved. Many of the TV evangelists and all of the Charismatic and Pentecostal churches promote teachings which are not Biblical. These are the distinctives which separate Baptists from all Protestants, any organized church or Christian cult. Youve done nothing to, directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct.. She is not shunned. Would someone be frowned upon if they used another translation of the bible in your church besides the KJV translation? Im not sure what the Word of God sais about dress. Clearly, he was banished because he believed in religious freedom and believed and taught the New Testament was a believers sole source for his faith and practice. Bob Just want to commend you on how clearly you are able to elucidate on a given topic, Im envious. If that were the case, Paul left out the most important person/position in addressing the Phillipian saints. Those good Church of Christ folks, I have a few friends in that faith, good folks, but as youve so clearly pointed out, completley out in left field as it relates to musical instruments in the church. Independent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such things as evangelism. The rest of it is up to our Heavenly Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. Please elaborate, Should have said of course no singing with musical accompaniment.. One young lady began attending a non IFB Baptist church. After working for a few hours in our home, the Dish tech stopped working and looked at me asking, Am I correct in believing this is a Christian home I am working in? I said yes. For my part, I will continue to preach the Gospel and to teach the Word faithfully. Visited Calvarly Chapel her in Rosedale areahas tith online but what they view is unclear. He was talking about ceremonial law not moral law I think you are confusing those two. This directory, containing close to 10,000 churches and counting, is aimed at getting you the information you need when you need it. While I do agree that there are some things that tradition has failed on (i.e. The message is set. Still others rail about the same sin constantly, possibly out of their own guilt. This was the first time in the history of the world that a government was established which granted religious freedom! amzn_assoc_placement = "adunit0"; amzn_assoc_tracking_id = "lifewaymarket-20"; amzn_assoc_ad_mode = "manual"; amzn_assoc_ad_type = "smart"; amzn_assoc_marketplace = "amazon"; amzn_assoc_region = "US"; amzn_assoc_linkid = "7e0c08952d33ff8dd3379356ab6731f1"; amzn_assoc_asins = "1479180297,B00A4SKJXG,1250026261,0830816607,0809134888,0884197689,B00X531UN0,0877888256,0764205374"; amzn_assoc_title = "BaptistDeception.com Book Club Picks"; That is just my pointyou I fear are dedicating a almost hate site for this denomination when its no reason tovs just warning sagnist all bad behavior. All youve done is pull some verses out of context and manipulated them to fit your point of view.